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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ive had the same thing happen to me recently and its happened to me before there was a hold on my account that hap put my account under and ithought i still had access to my funds so using the cars and i used it aproximately 9 times and ive racked up with all the charges and its been under for fifteen days so all the interest they add every 3 day $626 last timme this happened to me i sold my car to make up for the defecit and im only 18 i made a com[plaint through the bank and they refunded the initial hold with was 38 dollars total but they will not refund all the overdraft fee caused from the unauthorized hold worst part is i got no jobto pay any of it back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ive had the same thing happen to me recently and its happened to me before there was a hold on my account that hap put my account under and ithought i still had access to my funds so using the cars and i used it aproximately 9 times and ive racked up with all the charges and its been under for fifteen days so all the interest they add every 3 day $626 last timme this happened to me i sold my car to make up for the defecit and im only 18 i made a com[plaint through the bank and they refunded the initial hold with was 38 dollars total but they will not refund all the overdraft fee caused from the unauthorized hold worst part is i got no jobto pay any of it back</p>
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		<title>By: Bcarvalho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bcarvalho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“SHIT”IZENS</description>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://asdfhj.com/citizens-bank-overdraft-fee-scam/86#comment-402368</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEVER NEVER AGAIN Citizens bank is the worst !!! my wife and I have been customers for 9 years all good untill now   We just got wacked for 900.00 in over draft protection fees..We have sense closed our savings acct..Made sure we took it out in cash so they could actually watch a large stack of money leave their bank..Also closed our security box..As we can no longer trust them...We will be closing our checking acct just as soon as we can get set up with a SMALL LOCAL BANK! free advice...CITIZENS BANK JUST STAY AWAY!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEVER NEVER AGAIN Citizens bank is the worst !!! my wife and I have been customers for 9 years all good untill now   We just got wacked for 900.00 in over draft protection fees..We have sense closed our savings acct..Made sure we took it out in cash so they could actually watch a large stack of money leave their bank..Also closed our security box..As we can no longer trust them&#8230;We will be closing our checking acct just as soon as we can get set up with a SMALL LOCAL BANK! free advice&#8230;CITIZENS BANK JUST STAY AWAY!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://asdfhj.com/citizens-bank-overdraft-fee-scam/86#comment-401462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CITIZENS should be called &quot;SHIT&quot;IZENS because they treat their customers like shit. They make all their money by screwing over those who are trusting and just trying to make an honest living. Banks in the past have never been able to charge such outrageous fee&#039;s (40 dollars and then 7 dollars every day they don&#039;t receive a paym
ent) for taking out 2 dollars more than you currently have. 2 dollars over withdrawn here, 10 dollars there, can quickly become over 200 dollars in fee&#039;s, and if you can&#039;t immediately pay them off, they literally add more daily, until your so far in dept that all your money is going directly into the banks pocket. I mean they are supposed to be a bank for citizens, not a manipulative company that scams people into believing they are protected from overdrafts, only to have to find out later that the protection promised runs out without even a courtesy call or letter from the bank who says they &quot;treat you like a neighbor&quot;. A couple days worth of small purchases quickly becomes a couple months worth of piling dept. In this difficult economy, these businesses should be doing everything they can to help people stay out of bankruptcy. What is so hard about stopping authorization of an overdrawn card, or giving even a computerized phone-call suggesting that the customer review their account or call their &quot;friendly neighborhood Citizen&#039;s bank&quot; to prevent the continuance of &quot;surprise&quot; fee&#039;s or to give them a heads up about how to most efficiently regain control of their account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CITIZENS should be called &#8220;SHIT&#8221;IZENS because they treat their customers like shit. They make all their money by screwing over those who are trusting and just trying to make an honest living. Banks in the past have never been able to charge such outrageous fee&#8217;s (40 dollars and then 7 dollars every day they don&#8217;t receive a paym<br />
ent) for taking out 2 dollars more than you currently have. 2 dollars over withdrawn here, 10 dollars there, can quickly become over 200 dollars in fee&#8217;s, and if you can&#8217;t immediately pay them off, they literally add more daily, until your so far in dept that all your money is going directly into the banks pocket. I mean they are supposed to be a bank for citizens, not a manipulative company that scams people into believing they are protected from overdrafts, only to have to find out later that the protection promised runs out without even a courtesy call or letter from the bank who says they &#8220;treat you like a neighbor&#8221;. A couple days worth of small purchases quickly becomes a couple months worth of piling dept. In this difficult economy, these businesses should be doing everything they can to help people stay out of bankruptcy. What is so hard about stopping authorization of an overdrawn card, or giving even a computerized phone-call suggesting that the customer review their account or call their &#8220;friendly neighborhood Citizen&#8217;s bank&#8221; to prevent the continuance of &#8220;surprise&#8221; fee&#8217;s or to give them a heads up about how to most efficiently regain control of their account.</p>
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		<title>By: ale</title>
		<link>http://asdfhj.com/citizens-bank-overdraft-fee-scam/86#comment-400859</link>
		<dc:creator>ale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYONE, STARTING AUGUST 21ST I THINK, ITS BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW THAT YOUR DEBIT/CREDIT CARD SHOULD DECLINE WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE FUND IN YOUR ACCOUNT. PLEASE, CALL YOUR BANK AND MAKE SURE YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS. YOU ARE BETTER OFF GETTING EMBARRASSED BY A DECLINED CARD THAN GETTING SCREWED $37 FOR A $10 PURCHASED OVERDRAWN. THEY WONT DISCLOSE THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THEY MAKE SERIOUS MONEY FROM OVERDRAFT FEES BUT CALL YOUR BANK AND ASK FOR OVERDRAFT PROTECTION. (ITS NOT REALLY A PROTECTION, ITS JUST LIKE A CONDOM WITH HOLES IN THEM)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYONE, STARTING AUGUST 21ST I THINK, ITS BEEN SIGNED INTO LAW THAT YOUR DEBIT/CREDIT CARD SHOULD DECLINE WHEN YOU DONT HAVE THE FUND IN YOUR ACCOUNT. PLEASE, CALL YOUR BANK AND MAKE SURE YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS. YOU ARE BETTER OFF GETTING EMBARRASSED BY A DECLINED CARD THAN GETTING SCREWED $37 FOR A $10 PURCHASED OVERDRAWN. THEY WONT DISCLOSE THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THEY MAKE SERIOUS MONEY FROM OVERDRAFT FEES BUT CALL YOUR BANK AND ASK FOR OVERDRAFT PROTECTION. (ITS NOT REALLY A PROTECTION, ITS JUST LIKE A CONDOM WITH HOLES IN THEM)</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://asdfhj.com/citizens-bank-overdraft-fee-scam/86#comment-400055</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>overdraft fees are murder.
9 dollars on a free netflix trial that was an accident on netflixs behalf turned into a 75 dollar fee that i was not notified of in my online banking statement...which turned into a total of 150 dollars in fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overdraft fees are murder.<br />
9 dollars on a free netflix trial that was an accident on netflixs behalf turned into a 75 dollar fee that i was not notified of in my online banking statement&#8230;which turned into a total of 150 dollars in fees.</p>
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		<title>By: dhd</title>
		<link>http://asdfhj.com/citizens-bank-overdraft-fee-scam/86#comment-399577</link>
		<dc:creator>dhd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several months ago I visited my daughter in the hospital and withdrew money from an ATM that charged NO fee. I would not have withdrawn anything were it not for that fact since I was low on funds. The receipt I received showed a balance of 1.97. Subsequently, upon checking my balance at citizens I was surprised to find they had forced me into overdraft by withdrawing a 2 dollar ATM fee. This is another of their machanisms to scam people out of their money by forcing them into overdraft. They did this before in the previous year by charging me 30 dollars for overdraft protection and forcing me into a negative balance; for which they charged me an overdraft fee. These people make money the minute you deposit money in their bank and there is no reason they need to charge extra fees - other than pure greed and malicious intent. These people are scumbags and thieves. When they get in financial trouble, they get a bail out to replace money they stole from us. When we get in trouble we get nothing but hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several months ago I visited my daughter in the hospital and withdrew money from an ATM that charged NO fee. I would not have withdrawn anything were it not for that fact since I was low on funds. The receipt I received showed a balance of 1.97. Subsequently, upon checking my balance at citizens I was surprised to find they had forced me into overdraft by withdrawing a 2 dollar ATM fee. This is another of their machanisms to scam people out of their money by forcing them into overdraft. They did this before in the previous year by charging me 30 dollars for overdraft protection and forcing me into a negative balance; for which they charged me an overdraft fee. These people make money the minute you deposit money in their bank and there is no reason they need to charge extra fees &#8211; other than pure greed and malicious intent. These people are scumbags and thieves. When they get in financial trouble, they get a bail out to replace money they stole from us. When we get in trouble we get nothing but hot air.</p>
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		<title>By: dbz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont let citizens bank fool you. 3 times I have gone into the office to reset My optout to prevent allowing my ATM card to issue funds when I have insufficent funds in my account. ALL 3 time sthe card is reset and the finds are issued. I have hundreds of dollars of fees charged. Even when I colosed the acocunt a late check came and the account was NEVER colsed. Still yet an other $75 in fees.  Fortunatlye I have a Copy of my ATM rejections from when the opt out was working. I plan to present to Atorney General.

MY advice EVEYone go to small calims court with a copy of Your statemnetn and file a case againse citizens Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont let citizens bank fool you. 3 times I have gone into the office to reset My optout to prevent allowing my ATM card to issue funds when I have insufficent funds in my account. ALL 3 time sthe card is reset and the finds are issued. I have hundreds of dollars of fees charged. Even when I colosed the acocunt a late check came and the account was NEVER colsed. Still yet an other $75 in fees.  Fortunatlye I have a Copy of my ATM rejections from when the opt out was working. I plan to present to Atorney General.</p>
<p>MY advice EVEYone go to small calims court with a copy of Your statemnetn and file a case againse citizens Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: scrooge64</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrooge64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for Citizens Bank and they treat their employees worse than their customers.  Not to mention that the other employees at my branch are like working with two year olds.  And the branch manager is spineless.  She&#039;s so afraid of making someone mad that she lets the two year olds do what they want and treat their co-workers so badly that I for one will be soon putting in my notice.  And as far as fees, the only customers they care about are the doctors, lawyers, etc.  They always get their fees rebated even when its their own fault.  The more you have the more you get with this crappy bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for Citizens Bank and they treat their employees worse than their customers.  Not to mention that the other employees at my branch are like working with two year olds.  And the branch manager is spineless.  She&#8217;s so afraid of making someone mad that she lets the two year olds do what they want and treat their co-workers so badly that I for one will be soon putting in my notice.  And as far as fees, the only customers they care about are the doctors, lawyers, etc.  They always get their fees rebated even when its their own fault.  The more you have the more you get with this crappy bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Educated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Educated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 06:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.citizensbank.com/services/optinflyer.aspx

STANDARD OVERDRAFT PRACTICES ARE CHANGING
What are Standard Overdraft Practices?

With our Standard Overdraft Practices, Citizens Bank may, at our discretion, authorize and pay ATM and everyday debit card transactions as well as other transactions even when you do not have adequate funds available in your account.

These practices are separate from our Overdraft Line of Credit or Savings Overdraft Protection plan or other products that you may add to your account. There are no changes to those plans.
What the new federal regulation means for you. 

Citizens Bank will no longer be able to apply our Standard Overdraft Practices to your ATM and everyday debit card transactions unless you provide your consent. You must let us know if you would like the Standard Overdraft Practices to continue to apply the way they do today by “opting in”.
How can I benefit by opting in? 

We may, at our discretion, cover your ATM and everyday debit card transactions when you don’t have funds readily available.
We may likewise provide access to funds in advance of a deposit becoming available later the same business day.
Standard Overdraft Practices can work alone or as a backup if you exhaust the funds available through your overdraft protection plan.

Is there a fee? 

Yes, standard overdraft transaction fees* apply each time we pay transactions on your behalf that overdraw your account.
You may avoid the fee if you temporarily overdraw your account but then a sufficient deposit becomes available that same day.
There is no monthly or annual service charge to have Standard Overdraft Practices applied to your account.
When does this change go into effect? 

Effective July 1, 2010 new account customers will make the Standard Overdraft Practices opt in preference when opening their new account.
Existing customers will have until August 15, 2010 to opt in to Standard Overdraft Practices in order to avoid any interruption in their services. It’s important to understand that you need to take action if you want to authorize Citizens Bank to allow you to overdraw your account at the ATM or when making an everyday debit card transaction. 

&quot;If you do not want to be able to overdraw your account you can simply do nothing and thereby choose not to opt in. Effective August 15, if you use your debit card for everyday purchases (for example, buying groceries) or ATM transactions, but do not have sufficient funds in your account, your transaction will be denied even if you plan to make a deposit later that business day.&quot; [why are they advocating over drafting?]

....
This is what should of been happening to begin with (transaction denied if you don&#039;t have the cash). 

...
http://www.citizensbank.com/moneyhelp/budgeting/what-you-should-know-about-overdrafts.aspx
&quot;How and when are transactions deducted from my account?

At Citizens Bank, we do not process your transactions in the order that you make them or when we receive them. Rather, we post transactions from high-to-low, meaning that at the close of each day, we deduct your highest-dollar transactions first, before deducting your smaller dollar transactions. With this “posting order”, you are at a lower risk of having an important item returned, such as a mortgage, rent or car loan payment. However, these larger items will cause your account balance to be used up faster, and, if it falls to zero, you will incur overdrafts or returned items and related fees. As a result, overdraft fees may be incurred more frequently than if we had deducted the transactions in a different order. Remember though, if the available balance in your account does not fall below zero this “posting order” does not matter.&quot;

...
&quot;If a merchant obtains an authorization for your debit card, but then your purchase is paid for by other means, the merchant must submit a reversing transaction to remove the debit card authorization. If they do not do this, the available balance will be reduced until the hold expires, normally two business days.

Example: Jane has $250 in her account and uses her debit card to pay $175 for theater tickets. She decides, after the card is swiped, to pay by cash but the theater operator does not reverse her debit card authorization. Because they did not reverse the transaction Jane’s available balance is reduced by $175. That night, a $200 check that she had previously written posts to her account. As a result the account is overdrawn and a fee is charged.&quot;

... 

well, reading does clear it all up. education is a beautiful thing, been there, done that with the overdrafts (I mean, bank fraud, which is what an overdraft is). It&#039;s bad business on both parties fault (those knowingly spending money that they don&#039;t have, and the bank for allowing those customers to spend the money instead of giving immediate short term loans (at a reasonable interest rate), akin to a cash service).

Who&#039;s really at fault for the overdrafts that shouldn&#039;t be charged are the merchants and the bank. The bank for allowing the merchant to &#039;hold&#039; the money, and the merchant for &#039;holding&#039; the monies (which is just another way the banks make daily interest on your cash).

Remember, for every &#039;hold&#039; on your account, the bank gets just that much more in their #&#039;s to increase their profits from interest and in the stock markets (similar to how insurance companies work).

What should we do? It&#039;s a felony to &#039;spark a bank run&#039;. So I vote we stop depending on this privately owned paper (cash), and go back to a simpler bartering system (which the government does not like et all, as it&#039;s very hard to tax a bartered item, or to assess the &#039;value&#039; of a chicken traded for a duck)

Burn them down, and start over.</description>
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<p>STANDARD OVERDRAFT PRACTICES ARE CHANGING<br />
What are Standard Overdraft Practices?</p>
<p>With our Standard Overdraft Practices, Citizens Bank may, at our discretion, authorize and pay ATM and everyday debit card transactions as well as other transactions even when you do not have adequate funds available in your account.</p>
<p>These practices are separate from our Overdraft Line of Credit or Savings Overdraft Protection plan or other products that you may add to your account. There are no changes to those plans.<br />
What the new federal regulation means for you. </p>
<p>Citizens Bank will no longer be able to apply our Standard Overdraft Practices to your ATM and everyday debit card transactions unless you provide your consent. You must let us know if you would like the Standard Overdraft Practices to continue to apply the way they do today by “opting in”.<br />
How can I benefit by opting in? </p>
<p>We may, at our discretion, cover your ATM and everyday debit card transactions when you don’t have funds readily available.<br />
We may likewise provide access to funds in advance of a deposit becoming available later the same business day.<br />
Standard Overdraft Practices can work alone or as a backup if you exhaust the funds available through your overdraft protection plan.</p>
<p>Is there a fee? </p>
<p>Yes, standard overdraft transaction fees* apply each time we pay transactions on your behalf that overdraw your account.<br />
You may avoid the fee if you temporarily overdraw your account but then a sufficient deposit becomes available that same day.<br />
There is no monthly or annual service charge to have Standard Overdraft Practices applied to your account.<br />
When does this change go into effect? </p>
<p>Effective July 1, 2010 new account customers will make the Standard Overdraft Practices opt in preference when opening their new account.<br />
Existing customers will have until August 15, 2010 to opt in to Standard Overdraft Practices in order to avoid any interruption in their services. It’s important to understand that you need to take action if you want to authorize Citizens Bank to allow you to overdraw your account at the ATM or when making an everyday debit card transaction. </p>
<p>&#8220;If you do not want to be able to overdraw your account you can simply do nothing and thereby choose not to opt in. Effective August 15, if you use your debit card for everyday purchases (for example, buying groceries) or ATM transactions, but do not have sufficient funds in your account, your transaction will be denied even if you plan to make a deposit later that business day.&#8221; [why are they advocating over drafting?]</p>
<p>&#8230;.<br />
This is what should of been happening to begin with (transaction denied if you don&#8217;t have the cash). </p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.citizensbank.com/moneyhelp/budgeting/what-you-should-know-about-overdrafts.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizensbank.com/moneyhelp/budgeting/what-you-should-know-about-overdrafts.aspx</a><br />
&#8220;How and when are transactions deducted from my account?</p>
<p>At Citizens Bank, we do not process your transactions in the order that you make them or when we receive them. Rather, we post transactions from high-to-low, meaning that at the close of each day, we deduct your highest-dollar transactions first, before deducting your smaller dollar transactions. With this “posting order”, you are at a lower risk of having an important item returned, such as a mortgage, rent or car loan payment. However, these larger items will cause your account balance to be used up faster, and, if it falls to zero, you will incur overdrafts or returned items and related fees. As a result, overdraft fees may be incurred more frequently than if we had deducted the transactions in a different order. Remember though, if the available balance in your account does not fall below zero this “posting order” does not matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
&#8220;If a merchant obtains an authorization for your debit card, but then your purchase is paid for by other means, the merchant must submit a reversing transaction to remove the debit card authorization. If they do not do this, the available balance will be reduced until the hold expires, normally two business days.</p>
<p>Example: Jane has $250 in her account and uses her debit card to pay $175 for theater tickets. She decides, after the card is swiped, to pay by cash but the theater operator does not reverse her debit card authorization. Because they did not reverse the transaction Jane’s available balance is reduced by $175. That night, a $200 check that she had previously written posts to her account. As a result the account is overdrawn and a fee is charged.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>well, reading does clear it all up. education is a beautiful thing, been there, done that with the overdrafts (I mean, bank fraud, which is what an overdraft is). It&#8217;s bad business on both parties fault (those knowingly spending money that they don&#8217;t have, and the bank for allowing those customers to spend the money instead of giving immediate short term loans (at a reasonable interest rate), akin to a cash service).</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s really at fault for the overdrafts that shouldn&#8217;t be charged are the merchants and the bank. The bank for allowing the merchant to &#8216;hold&#8217; the money, and the merchant for &#8216;holding&#8217; the monies (which is just another way the banks make daily interest on your cash).</p>
<p>Remember, for every &#8216;hold&#8217; on your account, the bank gets just that much more in their #&#8217;s to increase their profits from interest and in the stock markets (similar to how insurance companies work).</p>
<p>What should we do? It&#8217;s a felony to &#8216;spark a bank run&#8217;. So I vote we stop depending on this privately owned paper (cash), and go back to a simpler bartering system (which the government does not like et all, as it&#8217;s very hard to tax a bartered item, or to assess the &#8216;value&#8217; of a chicken traded for a duck)</p>
<p>Burn them down, and start over.</p>
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